I am an end user interested in technology evolution who would love to have a
version of linux on my spare ipaq and experiment with it, watch as the
software matures, etc. What are my options? from the traffic on this list,
it sounds like installing linux is a pretty complex project right now
involving the serial port and a lot of steps. I'm probably willing to wait
until there is a "point and click" installation process. When is that
likely to happen?
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> 1. RE: IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6 (Jamey Hicks)
> 2. Re: IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6 (S A McConnell)
> 3. RE: trouble using lince/osloader (George France)
> 4. Re: IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6 (Vasant Ramasubramanian)
> 5. button sleeve (Brian Kraack)
> 6. www.handhelds.org downtime (Ed Gould)
> 7. Re: IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6 (Kosenko Daria)
> 8. skiffcluster (Russ Nelson)
> 9. RE: skiffcluster (Messaros Robert)
> 10. Re: IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6 (David Woodhouse)
> 11. IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6 (Jari Kirma)
>
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> Message: 1
> From: Jamey Hicks <jamey@crl.dec.com>
> To: "'David Woodhouse'" <dwmw2@infradead.org>, jg@pa.dec.com
> Cc: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: RE: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:04:11 -0400
>
>
> I think writing mtdbitsy to be a map for the CFI driver is the right
> thing.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Woodhouse [mailto:dwmw2@infradead.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:28 PM
> > To: jg@pa.dec.com
> > Cc: ipaq@handhelds.org
> > Subject: Re: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
> >
> >
> >
> > jg@pa.dec.com said:
> > > So flash6 on 16 meg units wraps at 16 megabytes since the
> > flash part
> > > does not decode the high order bit, and he therefore overwrote the
> > > bootloader, making his iPAQ useless.
> >
> > Cute. I had this happen to me too, albeit on different
> > hardware - that's why
> > I wrote the alias detection code for CFI compliant chips. Could the
> > mtdbitsy driver be rewritten as a 'map' using the existing CFI code?
> >
> > --
> > dwmw2
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:19:25 -0500
> From: S A McConnell <samcconn@cotw.com>
> Reply-To: samcconn@cotw.com
> To: Chris McFarlen <chrismc@fastlane.net>
> CC: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: Re: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
>
> Chris McFarlen wrote:
> >
> > Doesn't the SA1110 have a bootstrap mode for booting from a UART? I
> don't
> > like hearing about people iPAQs being useless, when it seems like the
> system
> > should have other ways to bootstap and load a bootloader program. The
> > Dragonball 68328 series (Palm processor) has a UART bootstrap mode, is
> there
> > nothing similar for SA?
> >
> > Chris McFarlen
> > chrismc@fastlane.net
>
> The LinkUp Systems L7200 and L7205 have a similar feature.
>
> The above is a good question. I would guess the Software Development
> Board that
> was used has it. I wonder if the IPAQ has it but no jumpers or switches
> were added because of the limited space.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: George France <france@crl.dec.com>
> To: "'Jari Kirma'" <jkirma@cc.hut.fi>, ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: RE: [iPAQ] trouble using lince/osloader
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:36:04 -0400
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello Jari,
>
> You need to use the boot loader from the v0.13 directory. There was a
> change
> in the flash chips id number, that the pre v0.12 boot loaders do not
> recognize.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> --George
>
> George France, france@crl.dec.com
> Cambridge Research Laboratory, Compaq Computer Corporation
> One Cambridgecenter MS: CRL
> Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
> Phone: (617) 551-7665
> FAX: (617) 551-7650
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jari Kirma [mailto:jkirma@cc.hut.fi]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:50 PM
> > To: ipaq@handhelds.org
> > Subject: [iPAQ] trouble using lince/osloader
> >
> >
> >
> > I have big troubles loading v0.12 to my iPAQ according to the
> > instructions.
> >
> > Both LinCE and osloader in the ftp dir result the following when
> > trying Tools > Bootldr > Run after loading from file:
> >
> > osloader Error
> >
> > Error opening \bootldr.
> > GetLastError = 2
> >
> > About > LinCE/osloader
> > messages report following bootldr versions:
> >
> > LinCE 1.0.0: bootldr 2.3.0
> > osloader 1.2.0: bootldr 2.8.2
> >
> > bootldr files (on the HOWTO) seem to be 2.8.4.
> > Are these files fixed to go along with certain LinCE/osloader version?
> >
> > if I try just Tools > Bootldr > Run
> > following results on serial console:
> >
> > boot> load bootldr
> > loading flash region bootldr
> > using xmodem
> > ready for xmodem download..
> > Download Successful
> > 0000DF00 bytes loaded to C0000400
> > img_size is too large for region: 00000000
> >
> > BTW, at least my WinCE or PocketPC, or whatever, refers
> > "root" directory
> > as "My Device", not "My PocketPC" ...
> >
> > -kirma
> >
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:02:30 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Vasant Ramasubramanian <vasantr@utdallas.edu>
> To: Jim Gettys <jg@pa.dec.com>
> Cc: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: Re: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Jim Gettys wrote:
>
> > I've just received a report of someone (who will remain anonymous) who
> > noticed that our distribution attempts to mount /dev/flash6, and tried
> > writing bits into that flash partition.
>
> Do you have some sample code I could look at that writes to MTD Flash
> devices? We compiled support in for MTD and CFI/Intel parts (and I edited
> the header files so things match our hardware) and I would like to write
> our bootloader & kernel/RAMDISK to flash.
>
> I know the code is more than likely simple (open the device in RW mode,
> etc etc) but I'd rather have code that works than damage my Flash parts.
>
> If there is anyone else who has code that talks to MTD/CFI devices, I'd
> like to hear about it. I don't recall seeing a device in the /dev tree,
> but I'm sure MKNOD with the right parameters would take care of that, no?
>
> Thanks,
> Vasant.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:26:06 -0700
> From: Brian Kraack <bkraack@siscom.net>
> Reply-To: bkraack@siscom.net
> To: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: [iPAQ] button sleeve
>
> Howdy all,
>
> To the Compaq guys:
> Is the gaming sleeve a real thing? if so, what's the timeframe for it?
> What are the basic specs? Also, will we ever be able to buy just the
> plain sleeve for the iPAQ? And/or a plain sleeve with the I/O connecter
> in it? And/or has/is there been any thought to how a 3d party who wants
> to develop a sleeve might go through compaq to do it in order to not
> have to deal with all the injection molding crap? (I don't generally do
> biz related stuff, so I don't really know what I'm talking about here).
>
> If you could find out some info and post it (or forward to the right
> people), it would be appreciated.
>
>
> To everyone:
> If this gaming sleeve is not coming, or if it's not coming soon, I might
> be able to do something about it. Me and a buddy have been looking for
> a simple project to get started on ... He's hardware, I'm software,
> between us, we could probably wire up a 3 or 4 button thing that could
> be (initially) glued/stuck onto the plain sleeve and interface to the
> gpio pins and provide the linux/ce driver for it. It's possible that
> the plain sleeve could be hacked (literally) so that these buttons would
> fit inside it too (though we wouldn't provide that service until plain
> sleeves were available for sale on the market). Once some type of plain
> sleeve were available, we could then sell a ready-made version ...
>
> I think it would be really good for games, but also for other apps as
> well.
>
> Is anyone interested in this? Would you pay for it (enough to cover
> parts, time and a little extra incentive)?
>
> Once we got it done, I think we might be able to open source the
> hardware involved, so the people (say from handhelds.org) who were
> inclined and had parts available could build it themselves, and
> definately the linux source too. We'd want to get developers (like game
> developers) doing games that would use it, so we could sell it to
> non-developers.
>
> Give me some feedback if you have it ...
>
>
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> Message: 6
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> Handhelds Linux List <linux@handhelds.org>,
> Handhelds iPAQ List <ipaq@handhelds.org>
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:17:06 -0700
> From: Ed Gould <ed@pa.dec.com>
> Subject: [iPAQ] www.handhelds.org downtime
>
> The HTTP server (but nothing else) at www.handhelds.org (currently also
> handhelds.org) will be down from about 00:00 to 00:30 Pacific Daylight
> Time
> on Thursday, August 24, 2000, to install an Apache server with SSL
> support.
>
> --
> Ed Gould Palo Alto Advanced Development Compaq Computer Corp.
> +1 650 853 2108 ed@pa.dec.com 130 Lytton Avenue
> ed.gould@compaq.com Palo Alto, CA 94301
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 03:59:02 +0400 (MSD)
> From: Kosenko Daria <lisett@xray.sai.msu.ru>
> To: Jim Gettys <jg@pa.dec.com>
> cc: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: Re: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
>
>
> OK, may I ask, how can I find out how much flash memory does have my iPaq
> if I still under Win? Now I hardly trust stuff that written in my
> device...
>
> thank you
>
>
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> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Jim Gettys wrote:
>
> > I've just received a report of someone (who will remain anonymous) who
> > noticed that our distribution attempts to mount /dev/flash6, and tried
> > writing bits into that flash partition.
> >
> > Due to the industry wide shortage of flash parts, some of the early iPAQ
>
> > H3600's (e.g. H3630 and H3650's) shipped with 32 meg of flash, but
> current
> > production uses 16 meg of flash as has always been specified for the
> unit.
> > We've not had a 16 meg unit to test with here.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the person had one of those 16 meg flash units. For our
> > demos, we had put the MP3 and MPEG files into that partition, and this
> > person noticed our use of that partition, and tried writing there.
> >
> > So flash6 on 16 meg units wraps at 16 megabytes since the flash part
> does
> > not decode the high order bit, and he therefore overwrote the
> bootloader,
> > making his iPAQ useless.
> >
> > George is building a kernel with additional checks in it that should
> prevent
> > this happening by accident in the future, and will also be modifying the
> > bootloader itself to lock down the flash sector where the bootloader is
> > stored to prevent inadvertant overwriting.
> >
> > We'll make an announcement when this release with the additional sanity
> > checking is available (probably later today).
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> > --
> > Jim Gettys
> > Technology and Corporate Development
> > Compaq Computer Corporation
> > jg@pa.dec.com
> >
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>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:28:28 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Russ Nelson <rn-handhelds@crynwr.com>
> To: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: [iPAQ] skiffcluster
>
> It would be nice if the skiffcluster had a non-null guest password.
> That way, I could login from my desktop and deposit files. (The FTP
> protocol does not allow for null passwords; either that or the FTP
> client and/or server I'm trying to use does not).
>
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> Message: 9
> From: Messaros Robert <robert.messaros@siemens.at>
> To: "'Russ Nelson'" <rn-handhelds@crynwr.com>, ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: RE: [iPAQ] skiffcluster
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:39:50 +0200
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Russ Nelson [mailto:rn-handhelds@crynwr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:28 AM
> > To: ipaq@handhelds.org
> > Subject: [iPAQ] skiffcluster
> >
> >
> > It would be nice if the skiffcluster had a non-null guest password.
> > That way, I could login from my desktop and deposit files. (The FTP
> > protocol does not allow for null passwords; either that or the FTP
> > client and/or server I'm trying to use does not).
> >
> What worked for me was:
> o ftp the desired files from my machine into /tmp on skiffcluster
> o from the 'guest' account on skiffcluster do an ftp to skiffcluster using
> the 'ftp' account
> and copy the files locally from /tmp to the desired directory using this
> local ftp
> o still in the local ftp session delete the no longer needed files in /tmp
>
> Best regards
> Robert
>
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>
> Message: 10
> From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
> To: Vasant Ramasubramanian <vasantr@utdallas.edu>
> Cc: Jim Gettys <jg@pa.dec.com>, ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: Re: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:25:04 +0100
>
>
> vasantr@utdallas.edu said:
> > Do you have some sample code I could look at that writes to MTD Flash
> > devices? We compiled support in for MTD and CFI/Intel parts (and I
> > edited the header files so things match our hardware) and I would like
> > to write our bootloader & kernel/RAMDISK to flash.
>
> The support for CFI/Intel parts really does only support the chips. You
> also need a 'map' driver which provides read/write access to the correct
> memory locations. I usually point people at physmap.c but in this case
> nora.c is probably more useful - and it also shows how to 'partition' the
> flash into multiple separate devices.
>
> Also, you need the mtdchar driver which presents MTD devices as a
> character
> device. read/lseek/write work as you might expect, with the exception that
>
> write can only clear bits. There's an ioctl() for erase.
>
> The MTD CVS tree contains a handful of utils which could be useful -
> 'doc_loadbios' will load a file into an MTD device, erasing it first, and
> despite its can be used quite happily for loading kernels, firmware etc.
>
>
>
> --
> dwmw2
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:52:43 +0300 (EET DST)
> From: Jari Kirma <jkirma@cc.hut.fi>
> To: ipaq@handhelds.org
> Subject: [iPAQ] IMPORTANT: don't use /dev/flash6
>
>
> Kosenko Daria wrote:
>
> > OK, may I ask, how can I find out how much flash memory does have my
> > iPaq if I still under Win? Now I hardly trust stuff that written in my
> > device...
>
> If I remember correctly, there's application called Asset Viewer, that can
> display the amount of flash and its type along with lots of other mildly
> interesting hardware-related data.
>
> -kirma
>
>
>
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