Re: [iPAQ] HH Patches

Not upset, just ranting.

I know many, in fact probably most, of the patches have been submitted.
But yet the community at large replies with the response that cvs is the
sole source. This mentality is what should be fixed. It leads to dual
development paths and does not foster good interproject communication.

The community at large should be made more aware of the repository
listed below.

Standard releases like familiar should have patches available for the
open source packages they include.

These patches should be mailed promptly to the package maintainers.

CVS is a useful tool. However a commit is not, and should not be the end
of the road.

There are many things in handhelds CVS that are pushed upstream.
Excellent work with these!

I did not mean to offend. I was just ranting. Perhaps I've spoken more
clearly now?

Now a nitpick:

> "This is the current
> system that has been in place for getting new patches into the Linux kernel.
> It has been this way for a very long time. If you do not like the way the
> system works, I would suggest that you take it up with RMK and Linus."

You imply that all the kernel folk work as per HH with CVS trees that
they all share. "This" is not the case. The patches are the way things
work. I do not have issues with that. It has worked well for me as well
with projects I maintain. I think Linus has expressed similar concerns
with the growing list of kernel cvs servers.

The CVS trees around the net have forked off on many occasions and died
out. I'm just pointing out that HH is not working as well with the
community in this respect as it could. This is NOT to say that there is
no cooperation. Many things have come from HH and been merged into the
mainstream. I would expect that you would agree with me when I say these
merges could be more timely and more frequent. I would suggest that
better, more public, patch maintenance would help.

How many members of the HH community have a good feel for where HH
differs from mainstream linux (in this case rmk)? I would say few. They
just pull whatever is current from cvs. Patches make these differences
more obvious. It also makes those who use the patches more vocal as to
their needs such that the mainstream better fits those needs.

George France wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Calm down.
>
> Please see:
>
> http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/
>
> more specificly:
>
> http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/?action=section&section=0
> http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/?action=section&section=20
>
> You will see that, every patch is sent up stream. Sometimes to the ARM
> maintainer Russell King (RMK). Sometimes to the maintainer. Most of the
> time, these patches are accepted, sometimes they are not. Even if a patch is
> accepted, the user will have to wait until the next kernel.org Linux release
> or RMK patch release until the new code is available.
>
> Andrew is 100% correct. The "complete" hh.org patches are only available
> through the linux/kernel CVS tree on handhelds.org. This is the current
> system that has been in place for getting new patches into the Linux kernel.
> It has been this way for a very long time. If you do not like the way the
> system works, I would suggest that you take it up with RMK and Linus. I
> would welcome any improvements.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> --George
>
> On Sunday 03 February 2002 15:09, Tim Riker wrote:
> > <rant>
> >
> > Which, of course, means they have never been sent to the upstream
> > maintainers in a legible format.
> >
> > See previous email thread on why upstream maintainers will not grep
> > around everyone's cvs tree looking for useful bits.
> >
> > </rant>
> >
> > "Christian, Andrew" wrote:
> > > The hh patches are only available through the linux/kernel CVS
> > > repository.
> > >
> > > - Andrew
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Klaus Reimer [mailto:k@ailis.de]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:09 AM
> > > > To: ipaq@handhelds.org
> > > > Subject: [iPAQ] HH Patches
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > is there a location where the hh-Kernel-Patches can be
> > > > downloaded separately?
> > > > Or are they only available together with the kernel sources in the
> > > > linux/kernel CVS repository?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bye, K
> > > > [A735 47EC D87B 1F15 C1E9 53D3 AA03 6173 A723 E391]
> > > > (Finger k@ailis.de to get public key)
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