Re: Re: Manual installation (was ramdisk rescue installation)

Hello Bram,

Friday, December 8, 2006, 1:35:34 AM, you wrote:

> First and above all, thanks for the reply and links.

> On 12/7/06, Paul Sokolovsky <pmiscml_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Let me hint you that it's not of much use - just imagine if everyone
>> took some random binary snapshot, applied random changes, and offered
>> everyone else to use it. Chaos would ensue! So, there's an effort to
>> create reproducible and supportable distro images for h4000, and I
>> encourage you to join with this effort, not try to make it in "your
>> own" way. If you're interested, please start with reading h4000 wiki -
>> I may assure you, if you would follow its instructions from the
>> beginning, you very likely wouldn't face problems at all (or if you
>> would, with effort you put into this, we'd have current h4000's image
>> improved now, not old h2200's one). YMMV.

> Rest assurred, I'm not going to fork any work.

> To summarize what happened: I tried the ramdisk rescue approach (which
> you state works for most people) and for some reason it didn't work
> for me. This was my earlier post. As a reply to this post, Marcus told
> me my SD card was probably a weird one and wanted more information.
> Knowing that it was not my SD card I decided to do it the manual way I
> got working earlier.
> However, I found that most of the Manual part (like compiling the
> kernel etc.) had been taken out of the wiki,

  That's implausible. Kernel compilation instructions are at the same
place where it were all the time:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/KernelCompilation . And of course,
they are linked from the place you'd expect it be: H4100 Wiki ->
Documentation. And if you mean adhoc, outdated, duplicated
instructions which were on h4000 wiki itself, then sure, they were
removed, as they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They
may not ring a bell if you think in terms on h4000 only, but have a
look at http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary -
if you count rows, there's 100+. Now consider that wiki pages for each
port duplicates the same stuff over and over again hundreds times -
who will maintain all that mess?

  So yes, we have single copy of kernel compilation instructions which
apply to all ports hosted in HH.org CVS (and don't differ much from
generic kernel compilation instructions btw). There may be
omissions/outdated bits in them too, but reports of issues are
welcome, and they will allow to help Linux on handhelds in general.

> so I was faced with
> finding my own solutions and used various parts of the wiki in various
> places and got it to work.

> If it would only confuse people, then I won't post my image.

  Well, you're welcome to do whatever you see fit, of course. But if
you post image for others' use, it's somewhat expected that you're ready
to provide support for it, and that's the hardest part ;-). And that's
exactly what I decided to go for, seeing that nobody else does it -
not because I have much fun doing it or do it overly well, but because
that simply must be done, if we want Linux on h4000. My plan is still
to raise awareness and encourage other developers to join, and get
h4000 support into mainstream distros, because no single person can
maintain both kernel and userspace, and for long time at all.

> I might
> try the special familier distribution in the future, but as things are
> working again with the new kernel, I might just keep working with this
> one.

> Thanks and greets,
> Bram

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 Paul                            mailto:pmiscml_at_gmail.com